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:I was going to ask how you'd analyse the Dee-ell pronunciation. Historically it's presumably Dalyell > Dayell > Dee-ell, so one might regard the z as a vowel. Synchronically one might treat it as an odd pronunciation of a. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 13:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
:I was going to ask how you'd analyse the Dee-ell pronunciation. Historically it's presumably Dalyell > Dayell > Dee-ell, so one might regard the z as a vowel. Synchronically one might treat it as an odd pronunciation of a. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 13:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
That's clear about Dalzell/Dalziel, but I've never heard (of) the other two. From what you say, tâil(y)êe and câper-câilyêe? [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 18:04, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

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"In some Scottish words z is pronounced as y: tailzie, capercailzie, Dalzell (in some families)." Sorry, but this doesn't communicate. I know the pronunciation *Dêe-éll for Dalziél - presumably also for Dalzell - but I'm not clear about the pronunciations of the others. Ro Thorpe 15:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I looked it up in a dictionary and it varies: tailyi or taili. I'll add in that option.
As with a number of surnames, pronunciation varies between families. Some say Dalyell, some Dee-ell.
I was going to ask how you'd analyse the Dee-ell pronunciation. Historically it's presumably Dalyell > Dayell > Dee-ell, so one might regard the z as a vowel. Synchronically one might treat it as an odd pronunciation of a. Peter Jackson 13:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

That's clear about Dalzell/Dalziel, but I've never heard (of) the other two. From what you say, tâil(y)êe and câper-câilyêe? Ro Thorpe 18:04, 4 September 2011 (UTC)