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| | ==A Note About the Legacy Section I added== | ||
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| | This is to serve as an explanation of the "Legacy" and "Criticism" sections I added to this article. They are a port of text I wrote (and unedited by any other users) from Wikipedia but I've now edited them to bring them up to Citizendium standards. | ||
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| | Most of what I refer to is common knowledge, in terms of being undisputed knowledge present in almost every textbook or academic source on Socrates and the history of philosophy, but I can produce some references or citations if it's requested. <small>...said</small> [[User:David Liao |David Liao ]] ([[User_talk:David Liao |talk]]) {{#if:05:19, 2 January 2008|05:19, 2 January 2008|}} (<small>''Please sign your talk page posts by simply adding four tildes, ''</small><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.) | ||
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| | == Copied from Template:Socrates == | ||
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in which Larry mis-used the <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[template:philosopher|philosopher]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> template: | |||
<pre> | |||
{{philosopher | |||
|name = Socrates | |||
|born = 470/69 B.C. | |||
|died = 399 B.C. | |||
|nationality = Greek | |||
|birth_city = Athens | |||
|adj = Socratic | |||
|isms = [[skepticism]] | |||
|work = No extant writings, but the ''Apology'' of Plato is alleged to be a record of an actual speech of Socrates | |||
|work_size = 0 | |||
|logic = [[Socratic method]] defined standards of reasoning and definition | |||
|metaphysics = | |||
|epistemology = | |||
|phil_of_religion = | |||
|phil_of_mind = | |||
|phil_of_sci = | |||
|ethics = Famous for examining the nature of various virtues | |||
|politics = | |||
|aesthetics = | |||
|other_field_1_name = | |||
|other_field_1 = | |||
|other_field_2_name = | |||
|other_field_2 = | |||
|other_field_3_name = | |||
|other_field_3 = | |||
|rep_quote1 = "...the unexamined life is not worth living for man..." (38a) | |||
|rep_quote2 = "I am wiser than this man; it is likely that neither of us knows anything worthwhile, but he thinks he knows something when he does not, whereas when I do not know, neither do I think I know; so I am likely to be wiser than he to this small extent, that I do not think I know what I do not know." (21d) | |||
|rep_quote3 = "Crito, pay a cock to Asclepius; make this offering to him and do not forget." (118e) | |||
}} | }} | ||
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== Organization == | |||
The "Prose sources" section appears to be a replication of material at the top of the "Life" section. I debated simply deleting it as duplicative, but leave it for the moment. Also, I considered tagging the first part of "Life" as "Sources", or some such, but I couldn't think of a good subsection name for the rest. Maybe we should name the whole section "Biography", and have "Sources" and "Life" as subsections? And should "Sources" precede "Life", or follow? I'd vote for follow, as I suspect most of our ordinary readers aren't interested in these details. [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 19:58, 31 March 2008 (CDT) | |||
== WP article? == | |||
It appears that this article was originally brought over from WP and about 75% of the current article is basically WP content. In fact, at one time (during last year's Big Cleanup) it was tagged speedydelete because of lack of editing activity. Note: I am not referring to the legacy section which was brought over from WP by the author of that section and then revised somewhat. [[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 23:33, 4 June 2008 (CDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 23:33, 4 June 2008
A Note About the Legacy Section I added
This is to serve as an explanation of the "Legacy" and "Criticism" sections I added to this article. They are a port of text I wrote (and unedited by any other users) from Wikipedia but I've now edited them to bring them up to Citizendium standards.
Most of what I refer to is common knowledge, in terms of being undisputed knowledge present in almost every textbook or academic source on Socrates and the history of philosophy, but I can produce some references or citations if it's requested. ...said David Liao (talk) 05:19, 2 January 2008 (Please sign your talk page posts by simply adding four tildes, ~~~~.)
Copied from Template:Socrates
in which Larry mis-used the {{philosopher}} template:
{{philosopher
|name = Socrates
|born = 470/69 B.C.
|died = 399 B.C.
|nationality = Greek
|birth_city = Athens
|adj = Socratic
|isms = [[skepticism]]
|work = No extant writings, but the ''Apology'' of Plato is alleged to be a record of an actual speech of Socrates
|work_size = 0
|logic = [[Socratic method]] defined standards of reasoning and definition
|metaphysics =
|epistemology =
|phil_of_religion =
|phil_of_mind =
|phil_of_sci =
|ethics = Famous for examining the nature of various virtues
|politics =
|aesthetics =
|other_field_1_name =
|other_field_1 =
|other_field_2_name =
|other_field_2 =
|other_field_3_name =
|other_field_3 =
|rep_quote1 = "...the unexamined life is not worth living for man..." (38a)
|rep_quote2 = "I am wiser than this man; it is likely that neither of us knows anything worthwhile, but he thinks he knows something when he does not, whereas when I do not know, neither do I think I know; so I am likely to be wiser than he to this small extent, that I do not think I know what I do not know." (21d)
|rep_quote3 = "Crito, pay a cock to Asclepius; make this offering to him and do not forget." (118e)
}}
Organization
The "Prose sources" section appears to be a replication of material at the top of the "Life" section. I debated simply deleting it as duplicative, but leave it for the moment. Also, I considered tagging the first part of "Life" as "Sources", or some such, but I couldn't think of a good subsection name for the rest. Maybe we should name the whole section "Biography", and have "Sources" and "Life" as subsections? And should "Sources" precede "Life", or follow? I'd vote for follow, as I suspect most of our ordinary readers aren't interested in these details. J. Noel Chiappa 19:58, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
WP article?
It appears that this article was originally brought over from WP and about 75% of the current article is basically WP content. In fact, at one time (during last year's Big Cleanup) it was tagged speedydelete because of lack of editing activity. Note: I am not referring to the legacy section which was brought over from WP by the author of that section and then revised somewhat. James F. Perry 23:33, 4 June 2008 (CDT)