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| I have taken the article back to before the numerous large recent changes started. There's certainly no reason there cannot be changes. The changed text is in [[Internet/Alternate article]].
| | There's certainly room to improve this article. Arguments that were getting a bit far afield of the article are still available in Archive 1. |
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| It is my understanding, Dan, that the lede (i.e., before the first heading) is generally acceptable. You have questions about having the history, or as much of it, here. I can discuss why I believe it should be, but it may be shortened.
| | I should note that I did not create this article, although I made some corrections, especially in the history. It certainly could flow better from the lede, into something other than development, and continue. |
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| Some of the services you have in mind may be in the article [[convergence of communications]], which could be merged here in whole or part. Services that Peter mentioned, such as newsgroups, are, I think, there, but certainly could be added.
| | Several other articles either can be linked, or even have text moved here. [[Convergence of communications]] is a very broad look at applications. [[Internet Protocol Suite]] has major infrastructure and a certain amount on architecture. There are numerous articles on IP/IPv4/IPv6, IP addressing, routing, and routing protocols. |
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| It is my ruling that Comer is not as authoritative as RFCs, and I'm simply not familiar with the second book that was cited. Let's work to build from what is here, not replace it ''en masse''. Let's make links to [[Internet Protocol Suite]], which perhaps should become more of an architectural model, and be sure that when there is a wikilink to a protocol, and there is an article extant on that protocol, we don't get a redlink. Many of the redlinks came from writing such things as [[Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP)]] rather than [[Simple Network Management Protocol]], or not having the precise name of a protocol such as UDP.
| | What should be where? How can we improve what is here? Is anything here in error? [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 18:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC) |
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| [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 04:57, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
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| : Howard. Before you rolled back the article text, I stated my position why I think that is a bad idea in a new section on this talk page. Would you respond to that? [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] 05:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
| | This page was the first version of "Internet", then moved to "[[Development of internet]]". |
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| == Why did you delete most of the text in the Internet architecture section? ==
| | I have moved the newly created page "Internet" to [[Internetworking]] thereby replacing a ''copy'' of the page. |
| | The corresponding discussion can be found in [[/Archive 1]], but since it has been copied instead of moved, |
| | the history can be found on this talk page. |
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| | I have moved back the first version, and the associated talk page to [[/Archive 2]] |
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| Most of the material in the Internet architecture section is deleted. Why did you do that? [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] 17:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
| | [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 22:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC) |
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| : Hmm. This is a mystery. I just looked at the history of the article and it doesn't look like Howard deleted anything. And yet, the text is now missing. I will contact CZ admins for some help with this. [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] 17:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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| ::See my note on Matt's talk page. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 18:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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| == Newsgroups ==
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| In the first paragraph, newsgroups/usenet should be mentioned along with email and ftp.
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| (I don't add it myself, so that noone can claim I added content in case of an approval.)
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| [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 01:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC) | |
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| :Done. [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] 03:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
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| == Need to expand section on history of the Internet ==
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| In some side conversations, it is noted that an article on the Internet would benefit from a discussion of its history. This would include a discussion of the technologies that led up to the internet as well as a discussion of the technologies used currently. This is a reasonable point and deserves discussion. So, let me open the discussion in this section. Those who have an opinion on this issue are hereby invited to provide it here. [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] 04:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
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| : I will start this conversation by providing my view. I would expect that an article named '''Internet''' would provide a broad overview of the subject. This includes its history, its structure and its uses. I think the article would benefit from an expansion of the history section, but I think the level of detail in the article [[Development of the Internet]] is inappropriate for a high-level article. So, my position is those who are interested in expanding the history section should summarize the material in the [[Development of the Internet]] article and place that summary in the history section of the Internet article. Some have suggested rolling back the Internet article to the old material (which was renamed [[Development of the Internet]]). I am opposed to this because it misrepresents the meaning of the article title (i.e., '''Internet'''). If an article with the title '''Jet Planes''' contained only a detailed description of their history and no description of their design and use, I would say the article is misnamed. By the same argument, I think an article titled '''Internet''' that only discusses its development is misnamed. [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] 04:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
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| :: Well, while composing the above text, Howard decided to rollback the article to the old text. As I state above, I am opposed to this. I won't get into an edit war with Howard, because that wouldn't accomplish anything. I think the ball is now in Howard's court to explain his action. [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] 04:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
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Archived some heat, and starting afresh
There's certainly room to improve this article. Arguments that were getting a bit far afield of the article are still available in Archive 1.
I should note that I did not create this article, although I made some corrections, especially in the history. It certainly could flow better from the lede, into something other than development, and continue.
Several other articles either can be linked, or even have text moved here. Convergence of communications is a very broad look at applications. Internet Protocol Suite has major infrastructure and a certain amount on architecture. There are numerous articles on IP/IPv4/IPv6, IP addressing, routing, and routing protocols.
What should be where? How can we improve what is here? Is anything here in error? Howard C. Berkowitz 18:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Explanation of history
This page was the first version of "Internet", then moved to "Development of internet".
I have moved the newly created page "Internet" to Internetworking thereby replacing a copy of the page.
The corresponding discussion can be found in /Archive 1, but since it has been copied instead of moved,
the history can be found on this talk page.
I have moved back the first version, and the associated talk page to /Archive 2
Peter Schmitt 22:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
