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Good start! I'd recommend making it clearer that the impact of Hitlerjugend, both within the Wehrmacht and SS, was far greater than the 12th  SS Panzer Division alone. The indoctrination affected overall military behavior.  
Good start! I'd recommend making it clearer that the impact of Hitlerjugend, both within the Wehrmacht and SS, was far greater than the 12th  SS Panzer Division alone. The indoctrination affected overall military behavior.  
When I say Wehrmacht, I refer to the non-SS military forces of the Third Reich, reporting to OKW. If you meant Army as such, that would be the Heer reporting to OKH, which was a part of the Wehrmacht. You'll find, I think, that there were HJ in the Air Force and Navy as well. It would be instructive, for example, to look at the HJ representation among the pilots of the suicide attack Leonidas Staffel.


While the Werewolf threat was indeed taken seriously, especially in terms of the Alpine Redoubt, Allied occupation records show very little guerilla activity, certainly not at a unit level. I wouldn't overemphasize this aspect, and really would want solid citations that it was other than a propaganda threat. Goebbels, I'm sure, wanted it to happen, probably more than Himmler, but it's instructive to compare the postwar German resistance to the French, Russian, or Danish. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 02:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
While the Werewolf threat was indeed taken seriously, especially in terms of the Alpine Redoubt, Allied occupation records show very little guerilla activity, certainly not at a unit level. I wouldn't overemphasize this aspect, and really would want solid citations that it was other than a propaganda threat. Goebbels, I'm sure, wanted it to happen, probably more than Himmler, but it's instructive to compare the postwar German resistance to the French, Russian, or Danish. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 02:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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I suggest to move this to the historic German name [[Hitlerjugend]], a name that has also to be mentioned in the text! --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 13:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
: Citizendium is in English. If we build a German version, the correct title of the German equivalent article will be Hitlerjugend. In English, the name for the Hitlerjugend is the Hitler Youth. –[[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] 13:44, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::Redirect by all means. but consider user convenience. I'd have no problem with "WWII German High Command", but a nonexpert may have trouble knowing he is searching for "Protection Sqadron", "Intelligence Service of the Nazi Party", or "Plenopotentiary for the Four-Year Plan."  I agree none of these are ideal, and I'd be sue to copy definitions onto the redirects." [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 13:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

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Good start! I'd recommend making it clearer that the impact of Hitlerjugend, both within the Wehrmacht and SS, was far greater than the 12th SS Panzer Division alone. The indoctrination affected overall military behavior.

When I say Wehrmacht, I refer to the non-SS military forces of the Third Reich, reporting to OKW. If you meant Army as such, that would be the Heer reporting to OKH, which was a part of the Wehrmacht. You'll find, I think, that there were HJ in the Air Force and Navy as well. It would be instructive, for example, to look at the HJ representation among the pilots of the suicide attack Leonidas Staffel.

While the Werewolf threat was indeed taken seriously, especially in terms of the Alpine Redoubt, Allied occupation records show very little guerilla activity, certainly not at a unit level. I wouldn't overemphasize this aspect, and really would want solid citations that it was other than a propaganda threat. Goebbels, I'm sure, wanted it to happen, probably more than Himmler, but it's instructive to compare the postwar German resistance to the French, Russian, or Danish. Howard C. Berkowitz 02:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

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I suggest to move this to the historic German name Hitlerjugend, a name that has also to be mentioned in the text! --Peter Schmitt 13:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Citizendium is in English. If we build a German version, the correct title of the German equivalent article will be Hitlerjugend. In English, the name for the Hitlerjugend is the Hitler Youth. –Tom Morris 13:44, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Redirect by all means. but consider user convenience. I'd have no problem with "WWII German High Command", but a nonexpert may have trouble knowing he is searching for "Protection Sqadron", "Intelligence Service of the Nazi Party", or "Plenopotentiary for the Four-Year Plan." I agree none of these are ideal, and I'd be sue to copy definitions onto the redirects." Howard C. Berkowitz 13:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)