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==Dedication== | |||
While I certainly don't claim ownership of the article, my efforts here are dedicated to the best friend I've ever had, Mr. Clark, who happens, genotypically, to be a cat. I'm only here briefly, as I'm not sure he's going to last the night, but he is comfortable. He has more will to live than any two- or four-legged person I've ever met. (Picture on my user page) [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 03:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Mr. Clark died in my arms at 9:20 US Eastern (GMT-5). He still interacted with his human family the previous midnight, and with me until about 7:30 AM. Then, with active comfort care and pain control, he began to drift away. | |||
:There was a lot of pressure, last week, to euthanize, but I believe that was based on his appearance rather than his behavior and -- yes -- communication. His diagnosis of [[feline squamous cell carcinoma]] has a median survival of three months, and he had a comfortable eight, getting the best possible veterinary treatment, home [[hospice ]] care, and much love. He gave back that love in many ways. There are, I think, ideas for the article, but, for obvious reasons, aren't very clear right now. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 18:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
== AIBO == | == AIBO == | ||
I remember watching a report on the use of Sony's AIBO robot dog in retirement homes as a substitute for a real pet[http://www.anthrozoology.org/comparison_of_the_effect_of_human_interaction_aat_and_aibo_at_on_long_term_care_residents_with_dementia][http://biomedgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/59/1/M83.abstract] which perhaps deserves a mention as an example of the human-animal bond being exploited. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 06:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC) | I remember watching a report on the use of Sony's AIBO robot dog in retirement homes as a substitute for a real pet[http://www.anthrozoology.org/comparison_of_the_effect_of_human_interaction_aat_and_aibo_at_on_long_term_care_residents_with_dementia][http://biomedgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/59/1/M83.abstract] which perhaps deserves a mention as an example of the human-animal bond being exploited. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 06:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Tons more to be said here == | |||
Re wild animals - the Adamsons and Elsa, that other lion that lived in a city (London?) and was later released into the wild and seemed to recognise the boys who had owned him years later; there is a gorgeous US documentary about elephants; in one sequence where a zoo handler has to part with his elephant but is explaining that she'll be better off where she's going - oh, boy, I made a dent in a box of tissues.... | |||
And of course there are many stories about faithful dogs. And let's not forget James Herriott's tales. | |||
[[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 02:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
::There is a lot more that could be written. There are reports of beloved pets returning to visit their owners once they crossed over. I did not believe this until it happened to me. Our Malinois mix died suddenly leaving me heartbroken. I mourned her death for several weeks until one morning when she came back for one more visit. While I did not physically see her, except for a "sparklie" area where she used to sit in her chair, I did hear her. The night before she died, I sat up with her holding her in my arms, and listening to her labored breathing. When she returned for her visit, I heard the same breathing. All this happened while I was reading the morning newspaper. I looked up and saw the sparklies, heard her breathing, and then I looked away from the area. I looked back and everything was still there. I did this three times before the sparklies and the sounds disappeared. Her chair used to be in that location but it was moved because I could not look at the chair. This all happened in that area. This only happened once but it brought great comfort to me. I thank God for allowing me one more visit with my beloved dog.[[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 02:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
Other aspects: Poetry written about animals. I suppose we need a sociologist in on this, do people need animals more than they need us? Also need some confirmation by a biologist re hurt wild animals coming to human habitation, I have anecdotal evidence only. Also a psychologist on people having (temporary) hallucinations after a pet dies. I know I had olfactory hallucinations after my cat died; I kept thinking I was smelling a soiled litter box, even after I had cleaned everything to be sure to be sure, a therapist friend told me that was perfectly normal and not to be surprised if I 'heard' him as well, but it would be good to have these this confirmed for the article and written up properly. | |||
Along with this: the Victorian's habit of immortalising pets made some [[animalier]]s wealthy and famous. People still have their pets (and livestock) photographs, or their photos taken with animals. | |||
[[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 00:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Examples== | |||
Why is Greyfriars Bobby best known? To be honest, I had only vaguely known of him, but I long knew about Hachiko. Is this a bit Eurocentric? [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 21:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I did consider that carefully before I wrote it. I do think Bobby's better known, if only because of the books and Disney. Saying so is much less egregious than some of the political stuff we've let pass. IMHO. | |||
:Perhaps in 20 years it'll be different - who knows? | |||
:I've known of Bobby since childhood; I was an adult before I heard of Hachiko. | |||
:Having said that, if you want to qualify it with 'in the West' or something similar, be my guest. | |||
:[[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 02:54, 2 October 2010 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 20:54, 1 October 2010
Dedication
While I certainly don't claim ownership of the article, my efforts here are dedicated to the best friend I've ever had, Mr. Clark, who happens, genotypically, to be a cat. I'm only here briefly, as I'm not sure he's going to last the night, but he is comfortable. He has more will to live than any two- or four-legged person I've ever met. (Picture on my user page) Howard C. Berkowitz 03:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Mr. Clark died in my arms at 9:20 US Eastern (GMT-5). He still interacted with his human family the previous midnight, and with me until about 7:30 AM. Then, with active comfort care and pain control, he began to drift away.
- There was a lot of pressure, last week, to euthanize, but I believe that was based on his appearance rather than his behavior and -- yes -- communication. His diagnosis of feline squamous cell carcinoma has a median survival of three months, and he had a comfortable eight, getting the best possible veterinary treatment, home hospice care, and much love. He gave back that love in many ways. There are, I think, ideas for the article, but, for obvious reasons, aren't very clear right now. Howard C. Berkowitz 18:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
AIBO
I remember watching a report on the use of Sony's AIBO robot dog in retirement homes as a substitute for a real pet[1][2] which perhaps deserves a mention as an example of the human-animal bond being exploited. David Finn 06:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Tons more to be said here
Re wild animals - the Adamsons and Elsa, that other lion that lived in a city (London?) and was later released into the wild and seemed to recognise the boys who had owned him years later; there is a gorgeous US documentary about elephants; in one sequence where a zoo handler has to part with his elephant but is explaining that she'll be better off where she's going - oh, boy, I made a dent in a box of tissues....
And of course there are many stories about faithful dogs. And let's not forget James Herriott's tales. Aleta Curry 02:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- There is a lot more that could be written. There are reports of beloved pets returning to visit their owners once they crossed over. I did not believe this until it happened to me. Our Malinois mix died suddenly leaving me heartbroken. I mourned her death for several weeks until one morning when she came back for one more visit. While I did not physically see her, except for a "sparklie" area where she used to sit in her chair, I did hear her. The night before she died, I sat up with her holding her in my arms, and listening to her labored breathing. When she returned for her visit, I heard the same breathing. All this happened while I was reading the morning newspaper. I looked up and saw the sparklies, heard her breathing, and then I looked away from the area. I looked back and everything was still there. I did this three times before the sparklies and the sounds disappeared. Her chair used to be in that location but it was moved because I could not look at the chair. This all happened in that area. This only happened once but it brought great comfort to me. I thank God for allowing me one more visit with my beloved dog.Mary Ash 02:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Other aspects: Poetry written about animals. I suppose we need a sociologist in on this, do people need animals more than they need us? Also need some confirmation by a biologist re hurt wild animals coming to human habitation, I have anecdotal evidence only. Also a psychologist on people having (temporary) hallucinations after a pet dies. I know I had olfactory hallucinations after my cat died; I kept thinking I was smelling a soiled litter box, even after I had cleaned everything to be sure to be sure, a therapist friend told me that was perfectly normal and not to be surprised if I 'heard' him as well, but it would be good to have these this confirmed for the article and written up properly.
Along with this: the Victorian's habit of immortalising pets made some animaliers wealthy and famous. People still have their pets (and livestock) photographs, or their photos taken with animals.
Aleta Curry 00:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Examples
Why is Greyfriars Bobby best known? To be honest, I had only vaguely known of him, but I long knew about Hachiko. Is this a bit Eurocentric? Howard C. Berkowitz 21:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I did consider that carefully before I wrote it. I do think Bobby's better known, if only because of the books and Disney. Saying so is much less egregious than some of the political stuff we've let pass. IMHO.
- Perhaps in 20 years it'll be different - who knows?
- I've known of Bobby since childhood; I was an adult before I heard of Hachiko.
- Having said that, if you want to qualify it with 'in the West' or something similar, be my guest.
- Aleta Curry 02:54, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
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