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Please give a thought to the phrase I removed, and you re-inserted, that Chisholm supported "abortion '''of unborn embryos or fetuses'''".  Certainly, Chisholm was a supporter of what those who support it call "abortion rights" -- but to add the phrase "of unborn embryos or fetuses" implies that Chisholm's view is, in fact, wrong, that it is not a matter of a woman's right but of the rights of the "unborn."  The simple word ''abortion'' already describes neutrally what Chisholm supported.  I also would note that the footnoted source says ''only'' that she supported abortion; the language you use is not in the sources.  If you look at [[CZ:Neutrality Policy]], I think you'll see what I mean here.  We must state the facts, and not add ''loaded'' phrases to qualify them, phrases that have an intrinsic non-neutral viewpoint. [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 22:31, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
Please give a thought to the phrase I removed, and you re-inserted, that Chisholm supported "abortion '''of unborn embryos or fetuses'''".  Certainly, Chisholm was a supporter of what those who support it call "abortion rights" -- but to add the phrase "of unborn embryos or fetuses" implies that Chisholm's view is, in fact, wrong, that it is not a matter of a woman's right but of the rights of the "unborn."  The simple word ''abortion'' already describes neutrally what Chisholm supported.  I also would note that the footnoted source says ''only'' that she supported abortion; the language you use is not in the sources.  If you look at [[CZ:Neutrality Policy]], I think you'll see what I mean here.  We must state the facts, and not add ''loaded'' phrases to qualify them, phrases that have an intrinsic non-neutral viewpoint. [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 22:31, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
:Sorry, that was indeed me trying to insert my personal views. I will try to be neutral in future. Sometimes it was just hard to write about a view opposite to my own, but I will try my best to not use loaded phrase. Thanks. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 15:56, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
:Sorry, that was indeed me trying to insert my personal views. I will try to be neutral in future. Sometimes it was just hard to write about a view opposite to my own, but I will try my best to not use loaded phrase. Thanks. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 15:56, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
:::In this case I'm pretty sure Chisholm never advocated abortion. She said women had a Constitutional right to choose an abortion and said it's unconstitutional for state legislatures to try to remove that right. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 16:09, 11 June 2007 (CDT)

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I lightened the image. Richard Jensen 00:31, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, evidently my lighten-up first time was far not enough :-). Yi Zhe Wu 09:14, 10 June 2007 (CDT)

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Just added two more relevant images and did some tweaking. My goal for this article is to get it eventually approved, experts please feel more than welcome to change, revise, and comment on it. Thanks! Yi Zhe Wu 14:08, 10 June 2007 (CDT)

CZ:Neutrality

Yi, Please give a thought to the phrase I removed, and you re-inserted, that Chisholm supported "abortion of unborn embryos or fetuses". Certainly, Chisholm was a supporter of what those who support it call "abortion rights" -- but to add the phrase "of unborn embryos or fetuses" implies that Chisholm's view is, in fact, wrong, that it is not a matter of a woman's right but of the rights of the "unborn." The simple word abortion already describes neutrally what Chisholm supported. I also would note that the footnoted source says only that she supported abortion; the language you use is not in the sources. If you look at CZ:Neutrality Policy, I think you'll see what I mean here. We must state the facts, and not add loaded phrases to qualify them, phrases that have an intrinsic non-neutral viewpoint. Russell Potter 22:31, 10 June 2007 (CDT)

Sorry, that was indeed me trying to insert my personal views. I will try to be neutral in future. Sometimes it was just hard to write about a view opposite to my own, but I will try my best to not use loaded phrase. Thanks. Yi Zhe Wu 15:56, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
In this case I'm pretty sure Chisholm never advocated abortion. She said women had a Constitutional right to choose an abortion and said it's unconstitutional for state legislatures to try to remove that right. Richard Jensen 16:09, 11 June 2007 (CDT)