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== Sandy's edit to the definition == | |||
...specifically "help to cure or prevent illnesses involving similar symptoms." While a homeopath will have to review this, I don't think "illnesses involving similar symptoms" is really a homeopathic concept. They certainly object to "diseases with similar symptoms", and tend to reject "disease" as a medical conceit. The symptoms are signals of the body's defenses to be strengthened, not the effects of a causative factor. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 04:59, 18 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I think you're splitting hairs, but, yes, let's hear from a homeopath on this. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 21:27, 18 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Sandy's new definition is definitely an improvement. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 21:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Li'l hard pressed for time. I'm happy with Alexander's definition, but if you guys feel it needs to be simpler, I have a 'simpler definition', which would read:-<blockquote>(Homeopathy is) an alternative system of medicine, which stimulates the natural healing processes of the body (with the help of sub-physiological doses of a remedy, by using its rebound effect), to restore health (homeostasis) in a sick person.</blockquote> | |||
:::The matter in brackets is optional.—[[User:Ramanand Jhingade|Ramanand Jhingade]] 07:36, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Note that it is '''alternative medicine''' and not '''alternate medicine'''.—[[User:Ramanand Jhingade|Ramanand Jhingade]] 07:44, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::Unfortunately, "rebound effect" is not a well-defined term, certainly in medicine, so should not be used in a definition unless it is well defined in an article of its own. The alternate definition depends heavily on homeopathic terminology, such as "natural healing processes", as well as using homeostasis is far broader a context than is used in the biological sciences -- to say nothing amout emerging concepts such as [[allostasis]]. | |||
::::The proposed new definition also overemphasizes the aspect of small doses and does not address the apparent rejection, by homeopathy, of the idea of "disease". Instead, it speaks of "restoring health", without addressing the meaning of the state of non-health. | |||
:::Please confirm or correct the statement that homeopaths do not believe in the concept of disease, in the sense that disease has an etiologic cause and the cause needs to be corrected. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 08:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::I agree with Howard here, Ramanand, that your version introduces too many vague terms to be considered for use as a one sentence definition. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 23:44, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
What about <blockquote>A system of alternative medicine based on the idea of stimulating the body's natural healing processes by administering tiny doses of substances which, when given in large doses to healthy individuals, cause similar combinations of symptoms.</blockquote> I agree that Ramanand's definition has some problems, and I think the full version is too long, but it seems to me the point about stimulating natural defenses is central. [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 03:07, 20 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
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The above comments have been copied from the [[Talk:Homeopathy/Archive 13|Archive]]. --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 10:28, 20 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Revision as of 04:28, 20 September 2010
The talk page has been moved to Talk:Homeopathy/Archive 13 because of its size.
If you want to continue some topic please copy the relevant excerpts to this new page.
Sandy's edit to the definition
...specifically "help to cure or prevent illnesses involving similar symptoms." While a homeopath will have to review this, I don't think "illnesses involving similar symptoms" is really a homeopathic concept. They certainly object to "diseases with similar symptoms", and tend to reject "disease" as a medical conceit. The symptoms are signals of the body's defenses to be strengthened, not the effects of a causative factor. Howard C. Berkowitz 04:59, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
- I think you're splitting hairs, but, yes, let's hear from a homeopath on this. D. Matt Innis 21:27, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
- Sandy's new definition is definitely an improvement. D. Matt Innis 21:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
- Li'l hard pressed for time. I'm happy with Alexander's definition, but if you guys feel it needs to be simpler, I have a 'simpler definition', which would read:-
(Homeopathy is) an alternative system of medicine, which stimulates the natural healing processes of the body (with the help of sub-physiological doses of a remedy, by using its rebound effect), to restore health (homeostasis) in a sick person.
- The matter in brackets is optional.—Ramanand Jhingade 07:36, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
- Note that it is alternative medicine and not alternate medicine.—Ramanand Jhingade 07:44, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
- Li'l hard pressed for time. I'm happy with Alexander's definition, but if you guys feel it needs to be simpler, I have a 'simpler definition', which would read:-
- Unfortunately, "rebound effect" is not a well-defined term, certainly in medicine, so should not be used in a definition unless it is well defined in an article of its own. The alternate definition depends heavily on homeopathic terminology, such as "natural healing processes", as well as using homeostasis is far broader a context than is used in the biological sciences -- to say nothing amout emerging concepts such as allostasis.
- The proposed new definition also overemphasizes the aspect of small doses and does not address the apparent rejection, by homeopathy, of the idea of "disease". Instead, it speaks of "restoring health", without addressing the meaning of the state of non-health.
- Please confirm or correct the statement that homeopaths do not believe in the concept of disease, in the sense that disease has an etiologic cause and the cause needs to be corrected. Howard C. Berkowitz 08:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with Howard here, Ramanand, that your version introduces too many vague terms to be considered for use as a one sentence definition. D. Matt Innis 23:44, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
What about
A system of alternative medicine based on the idea of stimulating the body's natural healing processes by administering tiny doses of substances which, when given in large doses to healthy individuals, cause similar combinations of symptoms.
I agree that Ramanand's definition has some problems, and I think the full version is too long, but it seems to me the point about stimulating natural defenses is central. Sandy Harris 03:07, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
The above comments have been copied from the Archive. --Peter Schmitt 10:28, 20 September 2010 (UTC)