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::::In political history the creation of a republic was driven by the ideas, as worked out by theorists and philosophers. That was certainly not the case for monarchies -- the king came first, hired the necessary chroniclers and defenders, and beheaded his critics.[[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 12:33, 27 September 2007 (CDT) | ::::In political history the creation of a republic was driven by the ideas, as worked out by theorists and philosophers. That was certainly not the case for monarchies -- the king came first, hired the necessary chroniclers and defenders, and beheaded his critics.[[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 12:33, 27 September 2007 (CDT) | ||
:::::Certainly, in historical terms, However, in those countries where there has been recent ideological debate about constitutional form, the monarchists have struggled to invent an ideology mirroring the republican one. I agree that in such as case it is easier to distinguish because of the post hoc construction of ideology, but still, we need to have an article on Republic. --[[User:Martin Baldwin-Edwards|Martin Baldwin-Edwards]] 12:37, 27 September 2007 (CDT) | :::::Certainly, in historical terms, However, in those countries where there has been recent ideological debate about constitutional form, the monarchists have struggled to invent an ideology mirroring the republican one. I agree that in such as case it is easier to distinguish because of the post hoc construction of ideology, but still, we need to have an article on Republic. --[[User:Martin Baldwin-Edwards|Martin Baldwin-Edwards]] 12:37, 27 September 2007 (CDT) | ||
:::I think what you want is an article on monarchies -- with attention to issues like the divine right of kings, and how a couple (Charles I, Louis XVI) got beheaded for the wrong ideas.[[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 12:42, 27 September 2007 (CDT) | |||
Revision as of 11:42, 27 September 2007
This article merges the ideology of republicanism with the form of governance of republic. This is not appropriate, as they need to be treated quite separately. --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 05:48, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
- the ideology is all about setting up a government and a citizenry that actually operates like a republic, so it's pretty hard to separate the theory and the practice. Richard Jensen 10:55, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
- Well, I think you could make the same case for almost all political forms with an attached ideology. Even monarchy has monarchists who have adopted that ideology. I think we need to have a shorter article on the Republic which references the detailed historical issues in this article.--Martin Baldwin-Edwards 11:47, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
- In political history the creation of a republic was driven by the ideas, as worked out by theorists and philosophers. That was certainly not the case for monarchies -- the king came first, hired the necessary chroniclers and defenders, and beheaded his critics.Richard Jensen 12:33, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
- Certainly, in historical terms, However, in those countries where there has been recent ideological debate about constitutional form, the monarchists have struggled to invent an ideology mirroring the republican one. I agree that in such as case it is easier to distinguish because of the post hoc construction of ideology, but still, we need to have an article on Republic. --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 12:37, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
- In political history the creation of a republic was driven by the ideas, as worked out by theorists and philosophers. That was certainly not the case for monarchies -- the king came first, hired the necessary chroniclers and defenders, and beheaded his critics.Richard Jensen 12:33, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
- I think what you want is an article on monarchies -- with attention to issues like the divine right of kings, and how a couple (Charles I, Louis XVI) got beheaded for the wrong ideas.Richard Jensen 12:42, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
- Well, I think you could make the same case for almost all political forms with an attached ideology. Even monarchy has monarchists who have adopted that ideology. I think we need to have a shorter article on the Republic which references the detailed historical issues in this article.--Martin Baldwin-Edwards 11:47, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
- the ideology is all about setting up a government and a citizenry that actually operates like a republic, so it's pretty hard to separate the theory and the practice. Richard Jensen 10:55, 27 September 2007 (CDT)