Talk:History of scientific method

This topic provides a target for a link from Biology and History of biology .. David Tribe 15:47, 26 January 2007 (CST)

We can tell that with "What Links Here." ^^; Shanya Almafeta 16:00, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Im doing this to guide(hopefully suggest to) authors where specific content is needed. Look out for adding content especially relevant to biology. History of biology is empty and it would be good to create totally CZ content there. David Tribe 16:05, 26 January 2007 (CST)

? How influential was Pierce? Popper claimed not to have read him, so I wonder whether his work had as much impact as is suggested? Hobbes I guess needs mention. What about the role of the church? The church both promoted scientific advance while at the same time constraining it - I think the rebellion against religious dogma was an important stage in the evolution of scientific method, and echoes from Galileo to Darwin and TH Huxley. What about prehistoric science - the astronomical calculations involved in prehistoric constructions imply a very sophisticated systems of observation, recording and inductive reasoning from these. Just some thoughts.Gareth Leng 17:46, 26 January 2007 (CST)

I’m afraid that I know desperately little about Pierce, and I will have to remedy that before I can judge how influential he was.

Your question however reminds me of a previous discussion I have had concerning the direction this article should develop. I see there as being two approaches. The first, and perhaps the most obvious, is to document those moments from history that are decisive in shaping scientific method as we know it. The second approach, and that which I have favoured from the outset, is to compile a history of methodologists. SteveMcCluskey from Wikipedia argued for more-or-less this approach, and I can’t do better than quote him:

"I'm wondering what the balance should be in this article between the history of formal discussions of scientific method (e.g., those of Aristotle, Grosseteste, Descartes...) and the actual methods employed in scientific practice. My thought would be to emphasize the former; it's all too easy to claim that a scientific discovery implies the use of a particular scientific method, but it's really hard to demonstrate it. Witness, for example, the long disputes over the role of experiment in Galileo's discoveries which has only been unravelled by looking at his manuscript notes.

In a case like that, historians tend to go toward a complex interaction of experiment (or observation) with theoretical analysis. Any good discussion of actual scientific practice requires a rich body of evidence and investigations of their published and unpublished materials. We typically find that this has only been done for a few really major (and fairly recent) figures. That practical argument also points toward focusing on formal discussions of scientific method."

There are difficulties with both approaches. Those who are most influential in science do not necessarily espouse a clear and unambiguous methodology (e.g. Galileo). And for those who do, it’s not always obvious how closely they adhered to it (e.g. Newton’s disapproval of hypothetical reasoning). Also, to touch on the problem you are driving at, methodologists are not often influential. Indeed Bacon’s method, which was ostensibly successful enough to inspire the creation of the Royal Society, was all but ignored by its members both in spirit and in detail.

Even with these problems, I’m happier to document a few concrete ideas about method and how well they fared, than try to project our modern ideas about method backwards onto history and cut out those who have not added to it directly. --Christian Steinbach 07:06, 27 January 2007 (CST)

Sounds good, I wasn't suggesting leaving Pierce out, only querying the claim of influenceGareth Leng 12:43, 28 January 2007 (CST)

And it was a reasonable question deserving of a more focused reply. In cases like this, can we just remove content? I mean to say, when there is a question regarding the accuracy of a statement without citations. Most of this text came from Wikipedia, so we can't expect whoever first wrote it to cite sources. Or, instead we could cut back certain sections of the article to just a list of names as reminders (i.e. stubs) to do more detailed research. --Christian Steinbach 13:14, 28 January 2007 (CST)