Talk:Joan of Arc, memory of

Article Checklist for "Joan of Arc, memory of"

Workgroup category or categories	History Workgroup, Religion Workgroup [Categories OK]
Article status	Developing article: beyond a stub, but incomplete
Underlinked article?	No
Basic cleanup done?	Yes
Checklist last edited by	James F. Perry 12:37, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

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Removal of WP material

Following the removal today of the WP material, the remaining content of this article is entirely new and contains no WP material.

The removal, and the corresponding decision to write the aritcle a nuovo is based on my experiences editing the original Joan of Arc article wherein the article was about 90% re-written. It would simply have been easier to write it from scratch rather than revise. James F. Perry 13:01, 21 February 2007 (CST)

change name

I suggest we change the name to Joan of Arc, Historical Perspectives the goal is to get the major keyword first. Richard Jensen 00:43, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

name change: we need to have Joan as lead word

or people will have hard time finding it Richard Jensen 13:49, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

This is not agreed to by everyone. We'll decide the issue on the Editorial Council soon. --Larry Sanger 10:04, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Weird section

Joan of Arc's transvestism

Question: Did God order you to wear a man's dress?

Joan: The dress is a small, nay, the least thing. I did not put on man's dress by the advice of any man whatsoever; I did not put it on, nor did I do aught, but by the command of God.

Question: Did this commmand to assume male attire seem lawful to you?

Joan: Everything I have done is at God's command; and if He had ordered me to assume a different habit, I should have done it, because it would have been his command.

Comment

"Transvestism" is a strange choice of word, implying as it does that an iconic French heroine endorsed a modern practice that it is doubtful she would endorse. I see from the Google search transvestism + "Joan of Arc" that there are some scholars who use the word here. In this case, their work must absolutely be properly contextualized, because they are among the very few who would actually refer to Joan's habit of wearing men's clothes as "transvestism" or "cross-dressing." But the above section consists simply of a decontextualized exchange between Joan and her questioner, labelled "Joan of Arc's tranvestism."

If you want to reinstall this section, please do not make it look as if CZ endorses the idea that Joan of Arc is properly called a "transvestite" (of course, we can say that scholars say so); and please contextualize the quoted exchange. Thanks. --Larry Sanger 10:04, 2 June 2007 (CDT)