Talk:Democrat Party (phrase)/Draft

I'm a liberal and don't reject the use of this term :-)

Though I'm not an American liberal, and from what I've read there is some differences in our American brethern. Denis Cavanagh 06:41, 7 January 2008 (CST)

Indeed; if you want to get in a mudfight in Washington just refer to the "Democrat party." The current 2008 GOP candidates are not using the term, I think.Richard Jensen 11:59, 7 January 2008 (CST)

Last time round the subtle attack line was 'John Kerry is a typical Massachussets Liberal' (Emphasised) Don't know what they'll corner Obama on if he gets nominated - attacking a 'Liberal' when he is embracing and encouraging bipartisanship will simply make you look mean. Denis Cavanagh 12:04, 7 January 2008 (CST)

Approval?

Whether any authors and editors at CZ approve or disapprove of this usage isn't really the point. The author(s) of this article appear to have been an excellent job summarizing the dynamics of the issue and as an editor in history and politics, I am ready to nominate it for approval. It would be good if someone from the media workgroup might choose to join me in recommending it. I want to take a look at the subpages, and then I'll give it a full week for approval to give everyone a chance to get in their objections and last edits. Roger Lohmann 22:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I am opposed to approving this article as it now stands. Prof. Jensen was a very profilic but also occasionally a sloppy writer. The present article needs to be *very* closely proof-read. I just glanced at it and I find *many* out-dated references such as "President Bush", without even a "George W." on the first one.

Where do I go to protest this proposal? Trying to find one's way around the Forums, where the same matters are brought up in different Forums, is impossible to navigate.

(Also, Prof. Jensen, who now spends his time at Conservapeida, had his own distinct views on many topics. Hayford Peirce 02:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The Bush change sounds like a very specific, and sensible change. (The article was written while Bush was in office.) Do you want to make it or should someone else?

Why protest? Why not just edit? I too, find the forums impossibly complex. Let's discuss it here as Matt suggests.

Roger Lohmann 14:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I think I caught the major items where the article was dated and fixed them. If there are others, you should feel free to adjust them, Hayford (or anyone else). --Joe Quick 15:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm considering removing this article from the history group as their is no discussion of a single historical monograph, there isn't a single historian discussed or listed in the bibliography or reading list. All of the sources are linguistic or literary sources. Just because it happened in the past does not make it historical. Everything happened in the past, yet not every page in CZ is in the history workgroup. I oppose this approval as a history article. I also do not think it is maintainable. Russell D. Jones 20:03, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree that not everything "historical" should be in the history workgroup but I'm not sure i understand the maintainability issue. Could this article not be written in a way that does not require it to be continually updated? Or is the reason that there are just too many political put-downs? Chris Day 20:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

To me, there's a good case that this Politics and possibly Media article. I'm often conflicted if an article should be Military alone or Military and History. (of course, when the author is the only Military editor and hopes for approval....) Nevertheless, if one discusses political slurs, sooner or later, one is going to deal with historical matters of slogans ("Ma, Ma, where's my Pa? Gone to the White House ha ha ha) and terms that variously are slurs or badges of pride (Carpetbagger, Bull Moose, Dixiecrat, Yellow Dog, Blue Dog, etc.)

Nevertheless, I do think there is a maintainability issue, but the sort of maintainability issue that we will face with many current events. In Forum discussions (sorry, Roger), there's been mention of some kind of "expires by" labeling of current events. My concerns were over things such as extrajudicial detention, with active hearings in progress, yet had not been updated since 2006 (WP import) or 2007. How, in general, do we handle this, variously if it tends to go out of use, or if counter-slurs should be become more common? Repug and Republicon are a bit harsher than Democrat...

In this case, I would agree Politics is most pertinent. Do we have any active Media editors? Howard C. Berkowitz 20:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Concerns about approving this

I have one main concern about approving this, and that is that if this article is approved before U.S. Democratic Party is approved, that might well give many people the false idea that we are a nest of Republicans (gasp!). I don't wish to reveal my own political views, but regardless of what they are, I do think this is grounds for being concerned. I would hope we could whip U.S. Democratic Party into shape first.

Of course, I am not here to "veto" to proceedings or even to subtly issue orders. Editors may do as they wish in this case; I just want my feelings, which are not very strong feelings, known. --Larry Sanger 03:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Strangely, when i read this article I thought the republicans come off as petty. It might be a republican slur but that does not mean it sticks to the democrats. Chris Day 03:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Agree with Chris, don't see any issues with this. Made some minor copy edits (to be taken as suggestions of course) - there seems no need to use the word liberal, especially since it means very different things in different places. I thought this was an interesting article Gareth Leng 09:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)